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	<title>Comments on: Concerning Flash and HTML5</title>
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		<title>By: sfg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I am concerned, Flash is going to run on HTML5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I am concerned, Flash is going to run on <span class="caps">HTML5</span>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stelt,

SVG. Hmm. I don&#039;t want to get into any kind of canvas/SVG debate — it&#039;s the provision of the functionality that counts; I&#039;m agnostic which of SVG or Canvas gets used.

SVG is at a point where it&#039;s getting viable — and it&#039;s better designed than Canvas in a number of respects (not being scripting dependent is good, for a start!) — but it&#039;s also got a rocky co-existance with HTML5. You could fairly read everything in the above as ‘canvas/SVG’  if you liked. The inclusion/removal and doubts over the use of SVG in HTML (rather than XHTML) make it flakier in this context.

If SVG makes it, and I hope it does, then that&#039;s great. Canvas is going to be the driver for runtime, scripting driven graphics, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stelt,</p>
<p><span class="caps">SVG</span>. Hmm. I don&#8217;t want to get into any kind of canvas/SVG debate &#8212; it&#8217;s the provision of the functionality that counts; I&#8217;m agnostic which of <span class="caps">SVG</span> or Canvas gets used.</p>
<p><span class="caps">SVG</span> is at a point where it&#8217;s getting viable &#8212; and it&#8217;s better designed than Canvas in a number of respects (not being scripting dependent is good, for a start!) &#8212;&#160;but it&#8217;s also got a rocky co-existance with <span class="caps">HTML5</span>. You could fairly read everything in the above as &#8216;canvas/SVG&#8217;  if you liked. The inclusion/removal and doubts over the use of <span class="caps">SVG</span> in <span class="caps">HTML </span>(rather than <span class="caps">XHTML</span>) make it flakier in this context.</p>
<p>If <span class="caps">SVG</span> makes it, and I hope it does, then that&#8217;s great. Canvas is going to be the driver for runtime, scripting driven graphics, though.</p>
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		<title>By: stelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>stelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; vector drawing tools ... canvas ... is the implementation for that

ehm, what about SVG ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> vector drawing tools &#8230; canvas &#8230; is the implementation for that</p>
<p>ehm, what about <span class="caps">SVG </span>?</p>
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		<title>By: John Pencola</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Pencola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put! I&#039;m excited to see open standards gaining so much momentum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put! I&#8217;m excited to see open standards gaining so much momentum.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to dismiss the general future relevance of Flash. I&#039;ll stress again, it&#039;s not going to die because of HTML5. It&#039;s just certain use-cases becoming commodity, and thus implemented in the open.

There will always be a higher tier of functionality than open web technologies and browser upgrade cycles can offer; Flash will fill that role with aplomb. But Flash&#039;s acquired role as the de facto ‘video element for HTML4’ is an anomaly  in my view. The web being reliant on a single-vendor, proprietary solution for a core media type is not right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to dismiss the general future relevance of Flash. I&#8217;ll stress again, it&#8217;s not going to die because of <span class="caps">HTML5</span>. It&#8217;s just certain use-cases becoming commodity, and thus implemented in the open.</p>
<p>There will always be a higher tier of functionality than open web technologies and browser upgrade cycles can offer; Flash will fill that role with aplomb. But Flash&#8217;s acquired role as the de facto &#8216;video element for <span class="caps">HTML4</span>&#8217; is an anomaly  in my view. The web being reliant on a single-vendor, proprietary solution for a core media type is not right.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Fienberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Fienberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good critique.

One thing to add, that I think is part of the tide moving video and audio towards HTML 5, is that more and more of us are using HTML/CSS and Javascript to embed and control what happens with the Flash on the page. 

On several sites I&#039;ve worked on, the only thing the Flash is doing is rendering the audio or video -- all of the interaction is handled via Javascript and much or all of the styling is handled via HTML / CSS. On an audio-only player based on &quot;SoundManager 2&quot;:http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/ , the Flash is totally behind the scenes (no aspect of it is even visible on the page).

Assuming HTML5 gets implemented to the point that it successfully handles common audio and video codecs cross-browser, on many sites, it will be practical to just swap out the Object elements for Video and/or Audio elements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good critique.</p>
<p>One thing to add, that I think is part of the tide moving video and audio towards <span class="caps">HTML 5</span>, is that more and more of us are using <span class="caps">HTML</span>/CSS and Javascript to embed and control what happens with the Flash on the page.</p>
<p>On several sites I&#8217;ve worked on, the only thing the Flash is doing is rendering the audio or video&#8212;all of the interaction is handled via Javascript and much or all of the styling is handled via <span class="caps">HTML </span>/ CSS. On an audio-only player based on <a href="http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/" title="">SoundManager 2</a> , the Flash is totally behind the scenes (no aspect of it is even visible on the page).</p>
<p>Assuming <span class="caps">HTML5</span> gets implemented to the point that it successfully handles common audio and video codecs cross-browser, on many sites, it will be practical to just swap out the Object elements for Video and/or Audio elements.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really excited for html5 to become more widespread, flash has done well, (considering it was created for ads), but the sexiness of native video, audio, and canvas is nice.</description>
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